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From: Anthony Howe
Date: 2004-09-23 06:01:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [LFN14080312] milter-spamc setup generating

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Frank Heydlauf wrote:
> I think assuming a spammer would not set "X-Spam-Flag: no" in his
> mail would be naive.
> And why should I scan a message again if it's already marked as 
> spam (here: containing X-Spam-Flag:)?

Because you don't trust outside sources to tell you what to think (as I 
reaches for my mind control ray gun).

> Setting X-Spam-Flag to "YES" or another value is only a hack because
> empty headers would be removed by some (all?) MTAs.

No. Its not a hack. Its a header that represents a program variable - 
variables VARY by definition.


> There seems to be a big difference between milter and exim installations.
> Exim in the recommended setup
> http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/config_docs/exim-spamassassin/node12.html
> does *not* alter or delete existing X-Spam-Flag Header nor does it append
> new ones - ist's just not necessary!

It is necessary for exactly the reason you gave earlier: a spammer may 
attempt to fake the header, therefore prior occurrences of such a header 
that appear are always suspect. The header should only reflect the 
opinion of the last (delivering) mail server to scan it, which should a 
server in your control.

> But fully regardless if it's wrong or naive - there are countless 
> exim installations with the setup mentioned above and the inherent
> danger of causing false positives if they receive mails already
> filtered by a milter setup in the way you recommend.
> That's what I wanted to tell you. 

I really want to say something snide with lots of expletives as to what 
I think about Exim in this case. Suffice it to say, I'll restrain myself 
for the moment.

Anthony C Howe                                 +33 6 11 89 73 78
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